The Joe Rogan Experience

Daniel Kokotajlo is the executive director of the AI Futures Project and a former governance researcher at OpenAI, where he focused on scenario planning.www.aifuturesmodel.com https://ai-2040.comhttps://ai-2027.comwww.aifutures.org Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. Switch today at https...

Rick Springfield is a Grammy Award-winning musician, actor, and author. In addition to his work as a solo artist, Springfield fronts the rock supergroup The Locustz. Their most recent album, “Buzzkill,” is available now.www.youtube.com/@RickSpringfieldOfficiallocustzbuzzkill.bandcamp.com/album/buzzkilllinktr.ee/rickspringfieldwww.rickspringfield.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan or thr...

Jared Diamond, PhD, is a professor, scientist, historian, and author of several books, including “Guns, Germs, and Steel,” “Collapse,” and “Why Is Sex Fun?” His latest book, “Profits, Prophets, Coaches, and Kings,” is available now.www.harpercollins.com/products/profits-prophets-coaches-and-kings-jared-diamondwww.jareddiamond.org Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Visit https://ketone.com/Rogan for 30% OFF, or find Ketone-IQ at Target nationwide. Get 30% off + 2 free gifts at https://ARMRA.com/rogan Learn more about...

Joe sits down with Ethyn Ewing, a professional mixed martial artist competing in the UFC’s bantamweight division.www.professorfinessermma.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brian Simpson is a comedian, writer, host of the “Bottom of the Barrel” comedy show at the Comedy Mothership, and host of the podcast “BS with Brian Simpson.” His special “Live from the Mothership” is available on YouTube.https://youtu.be/NqK1gyTYt8Mhttps://www.youtube.com/@bswithbriansimpsonhttps://www.briansimpsoncomedy.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan...

Daniel Everett, PhD, is a linguist and college professor. He is the author of several books, including “Don’t Sleep, There Are Snakes: Life and Language in the Amazonian Jungle” and “How Language Began: The Story of Humanity’s Greatest Invention.”https://daneverettbooks.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at drinkag1.com/joerogan Use code ROGAN at https://BlueChew.com to get 10% OFF + Free Overnight Sh...

Michael Button is a YouTuber who explores ancient mysteries, lost history, and societal collapse.https://michaelbutton.substack.comhttps://www.youtube.com/@MichaelButton1 Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Visit https://ketone.com/Rogan for 30% OFF, or find Ketone-IQ at Target nationwide. Use code ROGAN at https://BlueChew.com to get 10% OFF + Free Overnight Shipping on your first order. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jesse Michels is the creator and host of "American Alchemy," a YouTube series exploring controversial topics in science and culture through longform interviews.www.youtube.com/@JesseMichelswww.patreon.com/JesseMichelshttps://americanalchemymagazine.substack.comwww.jessemichelsmedia.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. Tr...

Chris Williamson is the host of the "Modern Wisdom" podcast. See him live on select dates throughout the United Kingdom. https://chriswillx.com/modernwisdom https://www.youtube.com/@ChrisWillx Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. Switch today at https://Visible.com ...

John B. Allen ("MrBallen") is a former U.S. Navy SEAL, founder of Ballen Studios, and creator and host of the popular podcast "MrBallen Podcast: Strange, Dark & Mysterious Stories." His latest graphic novel, "MrBallen Presents: The Terror Within," is available for preorder now and will be released on October 6.www.youtube.com/@MrBallenhttps://book.ballenstudios.comhttps://mrballen.foundation Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. 50% off your first box at https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan! </p...

Steve Hilton is a businessman, political commentator, author, and Republican candidate for governor of California. www.youtube.com/@stevehiltonxwww.stevehiltonforgovernor.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Use code ROGAN at https://BlueChew.com to get 10% OFF + Free Overnight Shipping on your first order. Switch today at https://www.Visible.com for just 25/mo. Or Save $10 on your first month of Visible+ Pro with code ROGAN. Learn more about you...

Thomas Campbell is a physicist, consciousness researcher, and author of the "My Big TOE" trilogy. www.youtube.com/@twcjr44 www.my-big-toe.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. Order ALDI on Uber Eats: https://earn.sng.link/A99vk/i2fm/okid ...

Travis Barker is a musician, songwriter, producer, entrepreneur, and drummer for Blink-182. He is the subject of the documentary "Travis Barker: Louder Than Fear," which premieres August 13 on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+.www.hulu.com/movie/travis-barker-louder-than-fear-fd373a84-b79f-4dc3-93e3-29a6d6d5ec95www.barkerwellness.comwww.dtarecords.comwww.famousstarsandstraps.comwww.blink182.comwww.travisbarker.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Switch today at https://www.Visible.c...

Shane Gillis, Mark Normand, and Ari Shaffir are comedians, writers, and podcasters.Shane Gillis is the co-host of "Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast," creator and star of Netflix's comedy series "Tires," and one half of the sketch comedy duo Gilly and Keeves. Season three of "Tires" is streaming now.www.netflix.com/title/81758875www.youtube.com/@MSsecretpodwww.youtube.com/@GillyandKeeveswww.mssecretpodcast.comwww.shanemgillis.comMark Normand is the co-host of the "Tuesdays with Stories!" and "We Might Be Drunk" podcasts. His latest special, "None Too Pleased," is streaming on...

Joe DeRosa is a comedian, actor, musician, restaurateur, and host of the "Vile and Horrendous" podcast. His latest special, "I Never Promised You a Rose Garden," is now streaming on Netflix. www.youtube.com/@joederosacomedywww.joederosa.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Great Coffee, Great Mission – Black Rifle Coffee is America’s Coffee. Visit blackriflecoffee.com...

Joe sits down with professional mixed martial artist Aljamain Sterling, who currently competes in the Ultimate Fighting Championship's Featherweight division. He is the host of the "Weekly Scraps" podcast and founder of Funk Harbor Rum.www.youtube.com/@FunkMasterUFCwww.funkharborspirits.comwww.aljamainsterling.com www.JoinFunkHarbor.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Visit https://ketone.com/Rogan for 30% OFF, or find Ketone-IQ at Target nationwide. This video is sponsored by Be...

David Sinclair, AO, PhD, is a longevity scientist, Professor of Genetics at Harvard Medical School, author of the book "Lifespan: Why We Age—and Why We Don't Have To," and host of the "Lifespan" podcast.www.youtube.com/c/davidsinclairpodcast www.simonandschuster.com/books/Lifespan/David-Sinclair/9781501191978 https://lifespan.com https://davidasinclair.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Visit https://superpower.com/rogan for $20 off your membership. This video is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit ht...

Eric Goode and Jeremy McBride are filmmakers whose work includes "Tiger King," "Chimp Crazy," and "Monsters of God," now available on HBO and HBO Max.https://www.hbomax.com/shows/monsters-of-god/d779bf7e-5bfb-47d9-be21-9795ef6d19ce Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. onX Offroad: Try onX Offroad for 50% off- go to https://onXmaps.com/joerogan Switch today at https://www.Visible.com for just 25/mo. Or Save $10 on your first month of...

Andrew Wilson has participated in thousands of debates on political, cultural, and religious topics. He hosts "The Crucible" and owns its associated online training program, Debate University.www.youtube.com/@The_Crucible www.rumble.com/c/TheCrucible www.thecrucible.video www.debateuniversity.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Use code ROGAN at https://BlueChew.com to get 10% OFF + Free Overnight Shipping on your first order. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/ad...

Joe sits down with professional boxer, kickboxer, and mixed martial artist Rico Verhoeven.www.youtube.com/@RicoVerhoeven https://ricoverhoeven.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Annie Jacobsen is a Pulitzer Prize finalist, investigative journalist, and bestselling author. Her latest book, "Biological War: A Scenario," is out now.www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/783250/biological-war-by-annie-jacobsen/www.anniejacobsen.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Diana Pasulka is a professor of religious studies at the University of North Carolina Wilmington and the author of several books. Her most recent, "The Others: UFOs, AI, and the Secret Forces Guiding Human Destiny," is out now.https://static.macmillan.com/static/smp/the-others-9781250394866/www.youtube.com/@Diana.Walsh.Pasulkahttps://substack.com/@dwpasulkawww.dwpasulka.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Use code ROGAN at https://BlueChew.com to get 10% OFF + Free Overnight Shipping on...

Tim Robbins is an Academy Award-winning actor, director, writer, and producer known for such films as "The Shawshank Redemption," "Mystic River," and "The Hudsucker Proxy." He currently stars in the Apple TV+ series "Silo."www.apple.com/tv-pr/originals/silo/www.timrobbins.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Open an account in minutes at https://Chime.com/Rogan Switch today at https://www.Visible.com for just 25/mo. Or Save $10 on your first month of...

Forrest Galante is an international wildlife adventurer, conservationist, and author. His new special, "Alien Sharks: Untamed America," premieres July 29 as part of Discovery Channel's annual "Shark Week" programming block.www.discovery.com/shark-weekwww.patreon.com/cw/ForrestGalantewww.youtube.com/@ForrestGalantewww.forrestgalante.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at https://ziprecruiter.com/rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Timothy Alberino is an author, lecturer, and explorer. His latest release is a new edition of the ancient text “The Book of Enoch,” for which he wrote the introduction and commentary. www.youtube.com/@TimothyAlberinowww.timothyalberino.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Zach Bush, MD, is a physician specializing in internal medicine, endocrinology, and hospice care. He is the founder of Seraphic Group and Farmer’s Footprint, a nonprofit dedicated to regenerative agriculture.www.youtube.com/zachbushmdwww.farmersfootprint.uswww.seraphicgroup.comwww.zachbushmd.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Visit https://ketone.com/Rogan for 30% OFF, or find Ketone-IQ at Target nationwide. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cassie Coppersmith is an independent researcher studying ancient civilizations and archaeological mysteries, and host of the “Secrets in Stone” podcast.www.youtube.com/@CassieCoppersmith Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get 30% off + 2 free gifts at https://ARMRA.com/rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jimmy Donaldson, better known as MrBeast, is a YouTuber, entrepreneur, and philanthropist. He is the founder of Beast Industries and Beast Philanthropy, and the creator and host of the Prime Video competition series “Beast Games.”www.beastgames.comwww.beastphilanthropy.orgwww.youtube.com/@MrBeast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

JD Vance is the Vice President of the United States, a Marine Corps veteran, former U.S. Senator from Ohio, and author. His latest book, “Communion: Finding My Way Back to Faith,” is available now.www.harpercollins.com/products/communion-j-d-vancewww.whitehouse.gov/administration/jd-vance Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. 50% off your first box at https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan! Sign up at https://foxnation.com to watch RAF 11! Learn more...

Nick Bostrom is a philosopher whose work focuses on artificial intelligence, existential risk, and the future of humanity. He is Principal Researcher at the Macrostrategy Research Initiative and the author of several books, the most recent of which is “Deep Utopia: Life and Meaning in a Solved World.”www.simonandschuster.com/books/Deep-Utopia/Nick-Bostrom/9781646871643www.nickbostrom.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Switch today at https://Visible.com for just 25/mo. Or Save $10 on your first month of Visible+ Pro with...

Joe is joined by mixed martial artists John Rallo, Matt Serra, and Din Thomas. John Rallo owns Shogun Fights and is the owner and head coach of Ground Control Mixed Martial Arts Academy.www.groundcontrolbaltimore.comwww.shogunfights.com Matt Serra is a mixed martial artist and host of "UFC Unfiltered" with Jim Norton and "Geeking Out with Matt Serra." He is the owner and an instructor at Serra BJJ.www.youtube.com/@MattSerraBJJwww.serrabjjacademy.com Din Thomas is a mixed martial arts analyst, actor, and host of "...

Rupert Lowe is a British politician who has served as the member of Parliament for Great Yarmouth since 2024 and the leader of Restore Britain. Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. onX Offroad: Try onX Offroad for 50% off- go to https://onXmaps.com/joerogan This video is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit https://BetterHelp.com/JRE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ali Siddiq is a comedian, author, and public speaker. His new special, "My Father," is now streaming on YouTube. See him live on the "Custom Fit" Tour.https://youtu.be/XiSewRUOVygwww.youtube.com/@AliSiddiqComedywww.alisiddiq.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. Get 30% of...

Tony Hinchcliffe is a comedian, writer, actor, and host of the podcast and live show “Kill Tony.” His new special, "Man of the People," is now streaming on Netflix.www.youtube.com/@killtonyhttps://tonyhinchcliffe.komi.iowww.tonyhinchcliffe.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at https://ziprecruiter.com/rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Aravind Srinivas, PhD, is the co-founder and CEO of Perplexity AI, creator of the AI-powered search and answer engine Perplexity.www.perplexity.ai Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. This video is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit https://BetterHelp.com/JRE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tommy Lee is a genre-spanning solo musician, producer, and songwriter as well as the drummer and co-founder of Mötley Crüe. His latest album is “Tommyland Rides Again.” See him live with Mötley Crüe on The Return of the Carnival of Sins Tour beginning July 17.www.youtube.com/tommyleewww.motley.comwww.tommylee.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today...

Scott Eastwood is an actor and producer known for his roles in films including “Fury,” “The Fate of the Furious,” and “Outpost.” His new film, “Lucky Strike,” will be released June 26.https://youtu.be/vtEnjikCXyAwww.fandango.com/lucky-strike-2026-246022/movie-overviewwww.roadsideattractions.com/filmography/luckystrike Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Use code ROGAN at https://BlueChew.com to get 10% OFF + Free Overnight Shipping on your first order. Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at https://ziprecruiter.com/rogan...

Tim Dillon is a stand-up comic, actor, and host of “The Tim Dillon Show” podcast. His latest comedy special, “Tim Dillon: I’m Your Mother,” is available on Netflix.www.youtube.com/@TimDillonShowwww.patreon.com/thetimdillonshowhttps://punchup.live/TimDillonwww.timdilloncomedy.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. 50% off your first box at https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan! Switch today at https://Visible.com for just 25/mo. Or Save $10 on your first month o...

Taylor Sheridan is a writer, director, and producer of multiple series and films, including “Landman,” “Lioness,” “The Madison,” “Sicario,” and “Hell or High Water.” He is also a restaurateur, rancher, and author. His new book, “How Not to Die in Prison: A Survival Guide,” co-written with ex-convict turned personal trainer Tom Nelson, will be available June 23.www.simonandschuster.com/books/How-to-Not-Die-in-Prison/Taylor-Sheridan/9781668213452www.cattlemenssteakhouse.comwww.6666beef.comwww.bosqueranchheadquarters.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Visit https://wildpastures.com...

Joe is joined by UFC Lightweight Champion Justin Gaethje & boxing and MMA trainer Trevor Wittman. https://www.youtube.com/@justin_gaethje https://onxsports.com/ Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan onX Offroad: Try onX Offroad for 50% off- go to https://onXmaps.com/joerogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit...

Rowan Jacobsen is an award-winning science and nature writer. His new book, “In Defense of Sunlight: The Surprising Science of Sun Exposure,” is available now.www.simonandschuster.com/books/In-Defense-of-Sunlight/Rowan-Jacobsen/9781668092163www.rowanjacobsen.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Visit https://ketone.com/Rogan for 30% OFF, or find Ketone-IQ at Target nationwide. Go to https://paleovalley.com/rogan for 20% off Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chase Hughes is an expert in behavioral profiling, influence, and persuasion. He is the creator of the Neuro-Cognitive Intelligence system, founder of the “Station One” YouTube channel, and the author of several books, including “The Behavior Ops Manual” and “Tongue: A Cognitive Hazard.”www.youtube.com/@Station-Onewww.youtube.com/@chasehughesofficialhttps://nci.universitywww.chasehughes.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Use code ROGAN at https://BlueChew.com to get 10% OFF + Free Overnight Shipping on your first order...

Cameron Hanes is a bowhunter, outdoorsman, endurance athlete, author, and host of the podcasts “Keep Hammering Collective,” “Sh*t Talkers Weekly,” and “Lift. Run. Shoot.” His most recent book is “Undeniable: How to Reach the Top and Stay There.”www.youtube.com/@cameronhaneshttps://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250365941/undeniable/www.cameronhanes.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan or throug...

Dean Radin, PhD, is Chief Scientist at the Institute of Noetic Sciences (IONS), Associate Distinguished Professor at the California Institute of Integral Studies, and co-founder and chairman of the neuroengineering company Cognigenics. His latest book is “The Science of Magic: How the Mind Weaves the Fabric of Reality.”www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/750262/the-science-of-magic-by-dean-radin-phd/www.deanradin.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Switch today at https://www.Visible.com for just 25/mo. Or Save $10 on your first month of Vis...

Joey Diaz is a stand-up comedian, actor, and writer. He is the host of the podcast “The Church of What’s Happening Now: The New Testament” and the author of “Tremendous: The Life of a Comedy Savage.”www.youtube.com/@JoeyDiazwww.patreon.com/JoeyDiazwww.joeydiaz.net Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Use code ROGAN at https://BlueChew.com to get 10% OFF + Free Overnight Shipping on your first order. Get 30% off + 2 free gifts at htt...

Terry Bradshaw is a retired NFL quarterback whose 14 seasons with the Pittsburgh Steelers included four Super Bowl wins, leading to his induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Bradshaw is also a musician, actor, author, entrepreneur, commentator, and co-host of “Fox NFL Sunday.”www.foxsports.com/personalities/terry-bradshawwww.steelers.com/history/bios/bradshaw_terrywww.bradshawbourbon.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftK...

Devon Larratt is a veteran of the Canadian Armed Forces and a professional arm wrestler who is widely considered one of the sport’s greatest competitors.www.youtube.com/@devlarratthttps://armbet.nethttps://linktr.ee/devonlarratt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Caleb Hammer is a YouTuber and host of the program “Financial Audit.”www.youtube.com/c/calebhammerwww.patreon.com/calebhammerwww.calebhammer.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Take 50% off a SimpliSafe system at https://simplisafe.com/ROGAN Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Eszterhas is an author, former journalist for “Rolling Stone,” and screenwriter known for films such as “Basic Instinct,” “Sliver,” “Showgirls,” and “Flashdance.”www.imdb.com/name/nm0000390/ Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Use code ROGAN at https://BlueChew.com to get 10% OFF + Free Overnight Shipping on your first order. Open an account in minutes at https://Chime.com/Rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe sits down with Daniel Rodriguez, a professional mixed martial artist competing in the Ultimate Fighting Championship’s welterweight division.www.ufc.com/athlete/daniel-rodriguez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices